No more lead in the barrel or on my hands. Even at hot .44 mag velocities my Super Redhawk has shiny bore with zero leading. A circa 1918 Colt gobbled them up, as did several other 1911s that can be particular about bullet profile. And Vihtavouris N320 and N321 fall in this range for burning times. Clear editor. I too must be older than my years (35), as I love reloading .38SPL and have a S&W 442, S&W 36, and my most recent acquisition is a S&W 19-5 that is an absolute joy to shoot. Case life is excellent, especially for mild loads. In a day you can make over 100,000 bullets. Thank you. Just dont shoot a rabbit with this load if you want to be able to eat any of it. The use of .38 +P+ level (25,000 27,500 psi) type reloads, in .357 brass. I went to the grocery store to buy a loath of bread.. In fact, Hornady's handloading manual includes .357-inch bullets in the load data for the .38 Super, specifically 125-grain and 140-grain XTP bullets, along with .355-inch bullets, and their one remaining .356-inch bullet, the 125-grain HAP. Going up to 3.9 Gr for +P. There is almost no recoil and the student can increase power level when they feel ready using the same gun. The fast powders, W231, HP38, Bullseye would go over pressure very quickly with any slight changes, in seating depth or primer change. 10,870. Do not use anything but light loads and lead bullets in these older revolvers. I found it to be a nice blend of accuracy, soft recoil, and sure functioning, with enough spice behind it to reliably topple steel targets. But one classic target load is not far behind the .38 wadcutter in its own reputation with target shooters: a 200-grain semiwadcutter bottling up 4.6 grains of Bullseye. Wes, SASS Wire rules prohibit posting specific load data on the forum, but it can be passed along via private message or email. These types of guns are not as strong as more modern solid frame revolvers. Here's what the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook says for cast 125g flatpoint for 38 in the powders you mentioned. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. 300 Blackout Fine-Tuning: Finding the Right Barrel Length for Your Rifle. Similar to a 9mm 124 gr RN Cast Bullet. Interesting. True enough that it doesnt make power factor for Custom Defensive Pistol in IDPA or major in USPSA competition. * All PLUS P loads for guns designed for it (20,000 PSI), (Cowboy loads shot in 7 1/2 bbl.revolver no need to reduce), ALL THESE LOADS ARE PLUS P, SPECIAL HOT 21,000 PSI. I also find the LCR .357 enjoyable to shoot with all .38s and most .357s. The least is usually supplied as a large cylindrical billet weighing several hundred pounds. Traditionally, the max SAAMI pressures were: 38 S&W 14,500 Your previous content has been restored. Send the cylinder out to get cut for moon clips and adapted to 9mm, so you can shoot both 38/357/9mm and use all on moon clips. Too early Are you sure? The instructors worked magic in many cases, but having a load like this to gradually work shooters onto full-strength loads would have been a great tool. It is also one of the most pleasurable loads a shooter can touch off. We look at three classics: one each in .45 ACP, .38 Special, and 9mm. Most notably the lighter weight bullets. Two years into my second century a Colt MK IV Series 80 LTWT Commander 45 ACP still delivers the big medicine, but I have become enthralled with a new wheel gun- a Charter Arms Professional 32 H&R Magnum. Never got around to trying the T grips. IT'S A COMBINATION TAPER AND ROLL CRIMP. I'm asking the above questions because I don't want to run too hot of a load, but wasn't sure if it was ok to drop down below 2.8 as far as 2.5. This pistol uses the .38 Special with a Remington wadcutter bullet seated flush with the case mouth. . He loves this gun and keeps it in reach 24/7. I use 2.8-3.0 grains of Bullseye or AA#2 with 158 gr. I SEE THAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT USE THE AMMO FOR D/R. Lucky me. . Like both the .38 and the .44 spl. A Forum dedicated to the sport of Bullseye shooting, Bullseye-L Forum::Ammunition Discussion. Thanks for the start load Power Pistol will run lower pressures for the same velocity than W-W 231. Reloading supplies and load recipes are available everywhere. I use Bullseye powder but it's about the same burn rate. Rookie, back in the day when I was reloading I went through a 3 round butt L. Horton special model 24, a 4 24 and a 4 624. Powder Bul Weight C.O.L. Recoil is subjective and I feel no difference between that and an 750-775 fps load. I have found that if you go down too low in charge you will have some ignition issues occasionally. Very little recoil, and grouped acceptably out to 15 yards or so. Three in particular proved as good as their longstanding reputations would indicate. 7.) Softer alloys of lead are just easier on the machinery. And it isnt my first rodeo with a J-frame. Enter 38 Special. have been factored in, but Looks like starting with roughly 4.2 of W231. Ask your Dealer, or call Hodgdon), has a Cowboy Load section, (near the center fold), that lists data for about all SASS calibers. I still think highly of the LCR but would shoot only 148 grain wadcutters in .38 Special or .32 H&R Magnums in the .327 Magnum model. You trade a little less speed for a little more mass but at snubnose velocities I really think the standard 158 grain slug gives the best penetration. The majority of my shooting with .38 has taken place with soft lead bullets. A .38 Special mystery---what is the reason for this load? THAT TIME IS BETTER SPENT LEARNING HOW TO SHOOT THE REVOLVER IN THE RAPID FIRE PORTION. These two can cover the entire performance spectrum up to .38+P. 2, No. Clays, Universal, HP38, HS6 and H4895 are products of Hodgdon Powders. Your experience is definitely motivation for me to give my J-frame more range time! Reloading for it came next and it has since become my favorite pistol cartridge. WC, 158 gr. .38 Special: What Ive Learned After 20,000 Rounds, Stacey Abrams Whopper: No one believes in eroding the Second Amendment, Scottsdale Home Owner Uses Shotgun to Stop Naked Home Invader Caught in His Childs Room [VIDEO], Liberty Ammunitions Innovative Personal Defense Rounds are Lighter, Go Faster, and Hit Harder. So it is my gut feeling that Winchester found it to be touchy in smaller calibers like 38 special and 9mm Luger. Choosing a bullet You can always back off to the .32 S&W Long or .32 H&R Mag if you choose to. This post was originally published in 2018. Here's what the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook says for cast 125g flatpoint for 38 in the powders you mentioned. IF YOU ARE USING SWAGED 158GR BULLETS 3.1 WILL WORK, IF USING HARD CAST 3.3 IS NEEDED. At belly button range, very nasty load. Yes I do have a few of the older high quality classic revolvers not the current made Cast Iron garbage that is being vomited out today. Load cut these cards at five yards out of this Model 15. Thats not quite how that works. 10. When you say "not working" can you be more specific? Haven't tried it in the Colt Officer's Model Match yet. 5.) Especially if you reload. Just shows the importance of trying/checking the feel of a gun and if possible, test firing it, before you buy it. No matter where you look, the first mention in classic loads for the .38 Special is a 148-grain wadcutter over 2.7 grains of Bullseye. I have tried several different grips before finding the one that worked for me. Not as easy to find brass these days as it is not the most popular round anymore. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Pick up any current gun magazine and youll be inundated with images of sexy black rifles. WST is a good powder for a very specialized load. My M60 came w/ factory banana grips- open back, long enough for pinkie rest but too small in girth behind the trigger guard. My hand ached for a week. Wadcutters are tailor made for lightweight snubbie practice, allowing shooters to enjoy shooting the pocket guns. Recoil was so nasty that I quit after five shots and saved the rest of the box for my 6 Model 19 .357. Red Dot 38 Special - Gunloads.com Good thing I didn't go with the original powder charge I intended to use. This would be for plinking for my wife's ~3" Rossi, so something light and fun to shoot would be great. Ive been shooting them for 50 years. Reloading Data for .38 Special - Load Data - 1895Gunner. Using a new 105g bullet and no one has load data for itor do they The beauty of shooting a .38 is that you can easily practice at the ranges you'd fight at using basically any cheap bullet at minimal expense. Bullseye 3.2gr / 763fps --> 4.2gr / 892fps (max) Unique 4.3gr / 773fps --> 5.3gr / 944fps (max) 231 3.9gr / 733fps --> 4.8gr / 896pfs (max) These are out of a 5.5 inch barrel Edited June 25, 2016 by jschweg Dr. Phil Classifieds 712 Using bullets from Hornady HP-XTP, Hornady HP-XTP or FP-XTP, Hornady FP-Cowboy, Hornady HBWC, Hornady SWC-HP, SWC or LRN. (bullseyeforum.net). LRNFP - your load, with a plated bullet should be Very Similar, or slightly slower and safer. Have not confirmed the difference with a chronograph. Extremely light loads for 38 Special revolver - The Firearms Forum Is it more bulky? 110gr JHP! I use Bullseye powder but it's about the same burn rate. 32 H&R Mag 21,000 Dennis, I dont reload and Im only 72, but shooting the .38Spl in my 6 S&W 586 is a sublime experience. I love a nice, full-size .357 Magnum on the range because it is so easy to train new shooters on. Its the kind of load that will make you fall in love with the 1911 all over again! 2.9 of Clays is soft enough and dead accurate at 50yds. Down-loading .38 special Load manuals often advise against downloading .38 Special jacketed loads to prevent squibs, especially the 110 and 125 grain bullets. Currently using Titegroup, but started out with, and loaded many thousands of rounds, with Bullseye. Data will be standard "book" .38 Special data and I'll not attempt to "hotrod" the loads. The trigger has smoothed out over time. A significant difference in speeds is usually noted. That for just a nice shooting load one cant beat 148gr wad-cutter for pure fun. And I still think a 158 at 600 beats hell out of a 22 magnum of any stripe. Just got back into reloading 38 special again after a long hiatus with no revolver, and was instantly reminded of what a joy it is to reload. I get 1000 fps with this load. I found some data for 148 and 158 gr bullets but no published data on the 125s. In a 1909 vintage Smith & Wesson target .38, the 2.7-grain load cut a nearly one-inch cluster, showing that classics go well together. 125: 125: 130: 135: 140: 140: 146: 148: 158: 158: 158: 170 _____ Quick Links Home Load Data Bullet Points: BE SURE TO CHECK OUT & FOLLOW MY INSTAGRAM FEED CONNECT WITH THE 1895GUNNER.COM COMMUNITY . The floor does not apply for PPC, or the equivalent match for Action Pistol. Biggest problem I had was the lubricating cases for sizing and then cleaning them afterwards, I guess grit was somehow scratching the cases after getting stuck in the lube. Classics go well together: circa 1909 S&W .38 Special and traditional 148-grain wadcutter load of 2.7 grains of Bullseye. Soft shooting. It'll look funky, but it will shoot. (For those who would. I have a few 30-30 cases modified to shoot singles with a very light load. Berry says load plated bullets to mid-range jacketed bullets of same profile and weight or equal to hard cast. Dont get me wrong: I think the Smith and Wesson Model 642 Airweight revolver is an outstanding self-defense (concealed carry) revolver and you wont feel/care about how snappy/unpleasant the recoil may be in a real self-defense event. It would seem that a 125 grain GDHP is of the same weight and would have a similar profile to what you want to use. Hollow points are not. I burned up about 300 of them before giving up. In my time spent with the .38, I have come to greatly appreciate it for what it is and does. for 38 special NULLI SECUNDUS. It is easy to load in progressive presses and has commercially available options from virtually all modern manufacturers. The mild recoil of the mid-range load is a perfect mate to the .38s that most shooters own these daysthe airweight J-Frame or equivalent. Proof of concept with .38 first, then on to 9mm where we have to actually cycle a slide but I think Ive got that problem solved. Bonus is the CT #305 grips are both large enough to be actually useful, and can use the laser, or turn it off if you dont need the laser. Fast burning and consistent Economical and accurate Principal Purpose: Handgun loads Remarks: America's best known pistol powder. I have often thought about reloading .357 brass to .38 special velocities to get around that, but have just never decided to actually do it. Loads for .38 S&W: This short, little cartridge has been around since the 1870's and was most common in the "break-top" models. .38 Special +P (Alliant Reloaders Guide) - Load Data CorBon Self Defense, 38 Special, 125 Grain, Jacketed Hollow Point, +P, 20 Round Box 38125 My Reloading Manual for .38 Special has plenty of data for 125 gr JHP, and 125 gr JFP for Scot Powders/Vhitavuori, but nothing for Unique/W231/Bullseye. 38 special 125gr copper plated HP38 reloading data I dont miss lubing casescarbide is king! Also, too light loads don't allow the bullet to seal the gases causing problems. Also compared a S&W 638 to the S&W 36. http://www.adi-powders.com.au/handloaders-guide/equivalents.asp. As I researched loads in the meantime, I kept seeing the same several popping up again and again in sources from as recent as yesterday to long out of print books from when air travel was a newfangled wonder. A Tyler T grip would have helped here, but is incompatible w/ factory grips. VihtaVuori Oy Company, reloading booklet (1995) Numerous magazine articles on reloading special calibers and personal loads where noted. Hornady 115-grain HAPs over 4.4 grains of Bullseye alongside 25-yard timed-fire target. Please enable javascript before you are allowed to see this page. i had the same issues you did when i was trying to load for my DR revolver 14-3. to light of power had a soft recoil but ungodly bad accuracy. Heck, 38s in a J frame arent fun- theres no way a 327 Mag isnt worse. And yes I appreciate them for a hunting gun because of their fine accuracy and find trigger pulls (older classic guns). The load you use will be up to your gun. *WAP is not best choice for .38 special, too slow and inconsistent. I here from quite a few that 3.5 gr of bullseye is a good load for 158 gr lead Bullets for bullseye shooting. I load rounds for my wife to shoot @ Win 231 4.0 to 4.3 gr. I have tested both brass and nickel-plated cases using mild loadings and have not yet worn out a case. Understanding Reloading Formulas .38 Spl | Shooters' Forum The Pistol a Smith and Wesson model 27-2 The goal is two fold. 148-grain wadcutter brings accuracy that begs the shooter to test their limits. And this is a guy who normally trusted nothing but a 45 acp. I do this for my .357s but this article is about .38 Special loads. +P? 38 Special Loads for Bullseye by GerhardG Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:01 am Greetings, Looking for load suggestions for 38 special LSWC 158 grain SNS bullets, red coated based on the following powders; Bullseye, Unique, N310 and N320. You may end up with one "not" clearing the barrel. Unsurpassed for .45 ACP target loads. Congratulations on spelling loath right. I load a hard cast 125gn for my 38 special all the time. Thats what the Cavalry Board asked for over a century ago, and thats what weve got. The Bullseye powder pushed five into two inches flat for another 1911 that is typically a four-inch gun. I have several manuals and some say that this load is a low +p, some say it is not, but it is very accurate. Load with 38 S&W data. My point being is I used the resources I have, looked elsewhere (The High Road, The Firing Line), and wanted to try here. .38 Special: What I've Learned After 20,000 Rounds Anyone that uses a J frame S&W should seriously think about swapping grips, and finding which set works for them. would also bridge the gap that the .38 versus .357 have in defensive loads. The 9mm Bullseye load is a good stand-in for either training or match ammo, with the velocity putting the power factor comfortably over the minimum for action sports without too much extra oomph. Even better, is get some 38 S&W brass. At one time or another, I also owned and shot a M38 Bodyguard (nka the 638), a M37 Chiefs Special (now the 637), a M60 (which is a tad heavier but no more user-friendly), and a couple of others. I don't completely understand the physics behind it. And if youre doing that [shooting 158 grain bullets at 1200 fps muzzle velocity] with a snub.let me know I wanna watch you shoot em. 10 for a full cylinder. My Dad has advanced arthritis and could not longer easily work his auto loaders. .38 J frame.) Alliant Powder - Reloader's Guide I can not be held responsible for. Like the author said, I consider it a garbage disposal round as you can load it with almost anything with good results. Its like a pellet gun with a little noise and smoke if using black powder. I dont mind it at all, though others do and look to similar performing powders that address these things. Try. I agree with your .38 Special assessment points for the very same reasons. Alliant Pistol/Revolver Load Data: Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data. 3.8 gr. 125 grain plated flat point in 38 Special - Forums Your email address will not be published. As anyone learns quickly, first thing that needs to be done is to replace the small factory S&W grips (I use Hogue) so you can hold onto the gun. I dont see much conversation on these specifics but I think Its all about the size of the explosion in the chamber. If she had shot more, I would have probably bought another set of dies, to prevent the need for changing adjustments between the two. However, after consulting my several different manuals, 3.5 seems to be a border line max load. But I found 2.4 and 2.7 interesting at 25 yards off the sandbags. The All-American .38 Special | Load Data Article (Inceptor) Diameter: 0.357" Powder: CFE Pistol (Hodgdon) Primer: WIN WSP Case: WIN Trim Length: 1.145" C.O.L. Start conservative if you wish. Reducing consumables (and therefore cost) that much more is definitely appealing to me. Winchester 231 is between Bullseye and Unique for the .38 special (see my personal load above). Starting being near 3gr - ish. Thank you for the article. . Content . Hornady 6.) For any loads over 900-1,000 FPS, I suggest using a jacketed bullet. Don't know of any bullets like that. You are being redirected - Shooters' Forum The cases are large enough that they can be easily manipulated by inexperienced hands and yet small enough to not require much force in the sizing stage. The cowboy loads would be good choices as listed, since these ARE reduced loads for that sport, where usually just hitting a metal plate to make a sound is all that is required of the round. Just depends on what kinds of loads you plan to shoot. Insufficient crimping ) ARCHIVED. Power Pistols works well in short auto cartridges and higher pressure cartridges but no so well with a 158 grain bullets in 38 Special. Bullseye or Titegroup cover 90% or more of my .38 Special loadings. You cannot paste images directly. But its also worth considering that its pushing the same size and weight projectile at the same velocity as the standard Army revolver load during the Civil War. I shoot a Glock 21, and had a great time shooting some poly coated 230 grain round noses today. I go with the cheap and easy shake and bake technique that requires only plastic Glad container with a lid, handful of black 6mm BBs and old toaster owen.
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