The way that we define species has undergone a revolution with the advent of DNA testing. I'm Peter Biello in for Laura NOI. I don't see the hoaxes anymore at that level. Which brings us to the next question, what are the odds that some of these reported sightings (which, when I posted about this on twitter, I immediately started to get as well) are actually people seeing a mountain lion? This is where things start breaking down when you so I get pictures with this great description and one of my favorite stories is a great description what the witness and then so I called the witness and wanted information from them and the person says What are you talking about. It traveled all the way from from you know Minnesota to New York without being so seen Patrick take. Mountain lions don't usually travel more than 100 miles from where they are born. Here she is talking about how to identify a mountain lion. We've met Fish and Game's BURDEN OF PROOF. So they're not afraid of humans and they'll show up like a regular housecat. They create these big latrines that are very obvious. Fear for others and those two polarizing opinions on the situation is what I believe brings out mystique and Sam you know I take kind of a long view on this. N.H. Residents Report Mountain Lion Sighting - NECN Copyright New Hampshire Fish and Game Department.An official New Hampshire government website. Second when I when they did forward it from Wyoming to to Michigan you know this was coming right from sample 18 and 19 had no remarkable differences from known mountain lions from Michigan or Wyoming. And so far we have not had any positive mark lion scats or any DNA. However the scarring on the trees did not and the angles were off. Information online ad an age student loans dawg. So I certainly can't dispute anything that they said there's no evidence for me to go by to verify or say what my thoughts are on the situation. So I did a bunch of research and all the documentation I found was there art are not any pieces of DNA of Eastern online. We're gonna talk about sightings in this part of the program as well we'd love to hear your story. But the state always denies it, and none of us know why they deny it. Sam Evans-Brown: But I mean the video I had been sent was you know a recording of a animal growling but it was in slow motion and when I asked the person why is this in slow motion the denied that it was so there's a lot of weird stuff that happens in regards to people claiming they've seen they've seen these things. Today she talked with us a little bit before the show about why the mountain line is so compelling and why we want it to be part of our world. Patrick Tate: Yes. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction 3,207 views Jul 31, 2019 78 Dislike Share Save New Hampshire Fish and Wildlife 634 subscribers During my thirty-one career at the New. Something along those lines. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests - AP NEWS From came from out west they tracked it all the way back to the Black Hills in the Dakotas. You know one of the the biggest questions I have about that is it points to how much we don't know and if in fact we don't know enough. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. Thank you very much for being here. Yeah I did. Absolutely there are a lot of folks out there who for some reason need to create something that raises a stir and gets the attention of the media etc.. So I've been convinced the whole time that I saw a big cougar plume or whatever you want to call it standing there in the road in Greenfield. Sam Evans-Brown: So I just had two thoughts which is that we hear a lot of these stories and all of us here have heard these stories. Residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. So hard to know hard to refute if there's no interest in making up a story which many people of course do then I would respond the same way as Pat did. County road and all of a sudden a big cat jumps out of the woods over a stone wall stood in the middle of the dirt road as I rode towards it. I wasn't employed as biologists at the time of a situation that's been reported but so I started digging into this report and spoke with another wildlife biologist with the agency and said Do you know anything about this. Peter Biello: Ok. Sandy Hodskins, owner of West Meadow Farm in Bradford, New Hampshire, took time from shoveling Wednesday to enjoy the snow with her horse, West Wind. Peter Biello: The number is 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Were there any differences between these two that we could have noticed right off. Despite numerous reports, the NH Fish and Game Department continues to have no physical evidence of mountain lion presence in the state. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Part II - WMUR Caller: I cannot recall or see the tail in my in my image of it. This is the exchange. The panther, Fells concolor, is a beast of many names, most frequently referred to in New Hampshire history as catamount, but sometimes known locally as "Indian Devil" or "Carcajou", under which . So when we hear mountain lion there's also cougar there's wild cat there's Bobcat which is not a mountain lion maybe Patrick could you sort of spell out the different terms which are synonymous and which are completely different animals. Rick shaking his head so Rick now correct me please. People were calling the New Hampshire Fish and Game director's office saying why are you dragging your feet on this. He says when youve got a mountain lion in town, its kinda obvious. Since 1917, Lions clubs have offered people the opportunity to give something back to their communities. Mountain Lions | Wildlife | New Hampshire Fish and Game Department Caller: And the more I thought about it the color of it it was definitely not a bobcat. Deer Bear Moose Wolves Fisher Mountain Lions. So when we talk about the threshold of evidence required to say for sure you have seen a mountain lion it is rather high. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. You can see two of them at Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness NH. John thanks. Sam Evans-Brown: Certainly that is a thing I've heard but again you have to think of the incentives involved here. About Lions. There's always been physical evidence to prove those situations like hair or fur scat hair prints pictures of the animal print scat hair. He studied Politics and Spanish at Bates College, and before reporting was variously employed as a Spanish teacher, farmer, bicycle mechanic, ski coach, research assistant, a wilderness trip leader and a technical supporter. Caller: Oh hi. It was really muscular looking cat I mean is that like a side angle to me. How far were you from this cat. Peter Biello: So a little bit of nostalgia maybe for it for a better world embodied in the mountain lion. You know I think it's there's a lady Holly Ernst out in California who has done a lot of the genotyping of mountain lions in Northern California the ones that are of course most people have heard about taking down hikers bikers etc. We had six copies printed out each. Part II. SUE Morse naturalist and science director for the organization keeping track. Caller: Absolutely. Mountain Lion report and as a biologist for the state that's a situation where if he said to me what did I see. And Rick Van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. Residents Report Mountain Lion Sighting By Elysia Rodriguez Published August 11, 2015 A southern New Hampshire neighborhood believes a mountain lion is roaming the woods near their homes. Russ, from Sandwich (and Bedford) asks: In Sandwich New Hampshire, everybody has a story about seeing a mountain lion. So yeah as far as wildlife species that put deer and trees know there aren't any others that I know of that put deer in trees just just humans might be responsible for that. There were several sightings in CT over the last few months. And so. However, dispersing western mountain lions have left evidence as close as Connecticut, Massachusetts and New York. Michael Brindley is our program manager our producers our Jessica Hunt and Christina Phillips and our theme music was composed by Bob Lord. I'll send it to you. We want answers. Numerous scat and fur specimens have been turned in as part of mountain lion report investigations; DNA identification has shown these submitted samples to be from domestic dog, coyote, bobcat andraccoon. Let's look for other evidence. Sam Evans-Brown: You know the North America had a number of large predator species when humans first arrived in the continent. So for me as a person who's had the Bobcats right off my grits similar carries sticks to a bobcat The Long Tail obviously very different but those facial markings were overlapping for me. But are there mountain lions living in New Hampshire? Have you seen one. Want to put this to to Patrick Tate who may have heard some some info or info from listeners like you about these these these cats. Patrick Tate: I don't believe it is. No I saw a camel. Absolutely. Alleged mountain lion sightings put Derry, Windham residents on edge The exchange is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio. I've had a number of people call up and say I found a scout in the woods and I want it DNA identified. So before we get to the the the the stories of sightings we're getting a lot of calls. GAP MOUNTAIN LIONS CLUB Fitzwilliam, New Hampshire (USA) District 44-N . So I would put this in the category of sort of like shark attacks right. Mountain Lions in NH - Facebook Patrick Tate: So I'm not sure what subspecies of cat they're using to differentiate by those markings but once she was describing the White other face in the black. Peter Biello: We mentioned that the eastern cougar and the Western cougar are they were separate eastern cougar believed to be extinct. Now that to me seemed to indicate that they had done the secondary workup that in my opinion proved the existence of probably a disperse or possibly from South Dakota like the one in 2011. Pat humans people leave deer carcasses up in trees. Deer Bear Moose Grey Wolf Coyote Foxes Fisher Mountain Lion NH Wildlife History. The second one was not only fresh but when I actually put my hand on it it was you know smelled like cat and I it's there's no denying a fresh mountain lions get if you can tell it every story that KOAT. Join as a $8 per month sustainer and get our brand-new owl umbrella! Post your sightings and NH photos here! Squam Lake: Home of mountain lions - Concord Monitor So so. Get your tickets today and one for fifty dollars or six for 150 at NH PR and board. So I just brought up the bobcat thing because the location is fascinating to me that that that location we have Bobcats existing but that location we have a mountain lion report because it's a developed area and which brings me back to earlier what I had said it's a bouncing ball. I've actually had to walk in on one or two now and look at what was going on and figured out what was going on. As recently as 2011 there was one young male mountain lion that cruised all the way from the black hills of South Dakota, up over the Great Lakes, down through New Yorkgetting spotted all. And you know all that. So maybe a good pet for you but not for your neighbor if you just stop by unannounced. Rick van de Poll: Well the mountain lion of course has been sort of an enigma in the wildlife suite for years and years. Phone number 1 800. Let's go now to to Kyle in Keene I believe Kyle is this Kyle Jarvis from the Keene Sentinel a former reporter and former reporter. No evidence and other states where Mountain lights have turned up. Peter Biello: We got an e-mail question from Robert in Epsom who asks are sightings or encounters with these big cats less dangerous here where they're passing through than out west where those same mountain lines might be establishing territory Rick. So I hate the idea that there's some sort of upward you know downward pressure from the bosses saying Don't you know don't tell about the mountain lions because it'll scare away the tourists. brings a lot of. I just don't understand the mechanism for how that would happen. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an PR. Thank you. So it's there was no question in my mind. Information that weed family automotive dot com sunny for today high temperatures low to mid 80s clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s tomorrow sunny highs in the upper 80s. And that the Florida panther was more closely related to the eastern outline than the western mountain lion was. And I saw you cat about four feet long from nose to tail come across from the water across the road and just leap over a six foot perimeter fence in a single bound. Don't miss your chance to win three two thousand dollar gas gift cards at any station of your choice not to mention the grand prize twenty five thousand dollars toward a new car. I really really enjoyed listening to this program so thank you all very much. They were able to do all that by genetics. Listeners give us a call if you'd like. N.H.'s Fish and Game department says there's no proof. That's what we're seeing is dispersing mountain lions from the West who are just making their way through. They create these scrapes where theyre communicating with each other with scent. Have you heard stories do you have questions about the mountain line. NH Fish and Game relies on physical evidence to answer questions about the presence or absence of mountain lion in the state. And I I have this great text history of New Hampshire game and fir bears and I think by Helen Silver who used to work for fish and game and she sort of I kind eyes this animal in one of the quotes from 1892 stating that the catamaran was the most ferocious of all the wild beasts of New Hampshire his great size strength and agility of movement together with his formidable weapons rendered him the terror both of man and beast. There was no sign of it. You know you have to have a license and it's hard to get that license a license to own a mountain lion. Having not found any evidence is not the same as saying there are no mountain lions, its the same as saying we dont know. The supervisor that hired me in the game division in October of 1978 passed on to me this whole big folder of mountain lion information and sightings going back probably a couple decades. Well let's hear from from Sue Morse again science director for the organization keeping track. Ive received pictures of dogs at odd angles, says Tate. We are the second most-forested state in the country, and those forests can be impenetrable snarls (part of why the Northeast is notoriously a difficult place to hunt deer), and while there are people in a lot of those woods, because the cats have been absent for a few generations now, most of those people dont know what a cougar scrape or latrine look and smell like. Hunting is legal, but closely regulated by the state. Support for an age PR comes from you our listeners. We'll be right back. Anyways after three weeks I finally found the image on line on a field and stream photo contest and the explanation in the end was the person that set the camera out with another individual and they believed that someone who knew of the camera location saw the similarities put the can't picture on their SD card so it looked like that camera recorded the image that is. Thank you very much for listening. Give today. Thank you. Updated: 9:53 AM EST Dec 6, 2016. Patrick Tate: So the individuals can say that but for an agency that's based on science and what not to to go off with no evidence and then get into that giant debate and all these other issues and put credibility at risk I don't think that would be a great path to take. But but I've also seen it cited the opposite way that look they're very secretive. From: Boomerdog in OK 08-Oct-07 Now Bobcat is a completely different species. Rick van de Poll: Oh yeah absolutely. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. If it's just in the middle of a greenfield you can't prove anything. I mean it wasn't your idea. I hope she's listening and she had spoke to a lot of different people ended up having a couple of sightings of her alone without sort of by accident. Some argue that it's a leap of faith. Sue Morse: First and foremost if you have color or if you could see details of color look at the front of the face around the Pumas muzzle the muzzle itself is pure white. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests - AP NEWS As far as I could tell there was a positive DNA sequence coming from the scat sample Patrick. People go through great lengths to create hoaxes like this. 1,470 likes. Thanks also to Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England and Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in about the natural world and how we use it. Peter Biello: Let's go to Mike in Epping. I came to a stop and it was and I've seen a lot of bobcats in my time and I just came to a stop it was just sort of confused about what I was seeing. 44-H Links. Every other Friday on Morning Edition NHPRs Sam Evans-Brown tracks down answers to questions about the environment and outdoors for our listeners in a segment we call Ask Sam.. m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. The great thing about pictures isn't the animal itself it's the background. Rick van de Poll: 80 90. Ask Sam: Why Won't New Hampshire Admit There Are Mountain Lions Here What do you think that. These were normal everyday folks. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. Ecosystem Management Consultants of New England, Ask Sam, and recently fielded question about mountain lions, 10 things to do in NH this weekend: Dartmouth Dance, Hamilton De Holanda & more, Turkish restaurant in the Upper Valley aims to help those affected by recent earthquakes, RFK Jr. tells NH crowd hes considering a presidential run, Epping woman pleads guilty to threatening Michigan election official in 2020, We also hear excerpts from an interview with, Read about the most recent cougar "sightings". Peter Biello: Listeners give us a call if you have a question or a story of a sighting 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Mountain lions ( Puma concolor) are one of the six native species of wild cats in North America. Patrick Tate: It became a very interesting investigation over time because it started becoming. Sam Evans-Brown has been working for New Hampshire Public Radio since 2010, when he began as a freelancer. Tell us your story. Using DNA and physical evidence, state environmental officials said they determined that the animal. There's no attraction. John if you're still on the line here I was going to I don't. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HP yard today we're talking about the mysterious elusive majestic Mystic Mountain Lion. I've seen him in the woods and that was not a bobcat but I was looking at. The big cat has been extinct here since the mid-1800s. I saw the tail end of a literally from behind the shoulder The Long Tail mountain lion crossing the highway going from Password to often Village downtown. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. Tim Yeah. NH Wildlife News and Info | NH Wildlife "Of those three to five reports,. Today, their range stretches from the Yukon Territory in Canada along the western coast of the United States, all the way to the Southern Andes in Chile. And so I just wanted to share my share my experience with you guys and it was pretty awesome to see if you get to see one albeit it was in the brush. Over a period of a year and a half, this Mountain Lion left DNA evidence in at least four states. Mountain Lion in New Hampshire? - Bowsite.com And that's this morning at 10:00 here on NH PR. I mean there was this one lady I remember and tough tomorrow. Had great trees behind it beautiful ferns on the ground so it brought me down on the site and the ferns on the ground matched. Mountain Lions are a mythical creature in New Hampshire with strong feelings on both sides of the question: are there Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Because I mean as we've heard in the past 10 minutes like there's there's some disagreement or at least some some vagueness about what an actual mountain lion should appear like in the wild assuming we can even get close enough. Okay. Patrick Tate: I would say well when social media first started they picked up the hoaxes became much more prevalent in the last four or five years hoaxes have died down completely. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. I wanted to get your thoughts on the mystique of the mountain lion start with you Rick. Peter Biello: Let's talk to Ron and where Ron thanks very much for calling. Well they are the same. He shifted gears in 2016 and began producing Outside/In, a podcast and radio show about the natural world and how we use it. His work has won him several awards, including two regional Edward R. Murrow awards, one national Murrow, and the Overseas Press Club of America's award for best environmental reporting in any medium. Are these big cats back?Subscribe to WMUR on YouTube now for more: http://bit.ly/1lOjX9CGet more Manchester news: http://wmur.comLike us: http://facebook.com. Peter Biello: And that will make identification for a layperson rather difficult. Less successful males roam further. So so in 2011 a mountain lion was killed in a car accident in Connecticut a car hit a mountain lion and killed it. So let's let's go to the phones. I'm Peter B yellow. So if you were to ask me has a mountain lion ever passed through New Hampshire and been spotted by somebody who wasnt able to get hard evidence? Id personally be willing to say "probably, yes.". There'd be there'd be all sorts of you know basically a lot of hassle required if that were to happen. Thanks for your call. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. But along the lines of the conspiracy theories as you mentioned earlier there there was a bit of a sense on behalf of what I'll call the promo online community who felt that fishing gain maybe not even so much in a spoken policy but maybe sort of an unspoken policy did not want to find themselves in a situation where they had to spend money to create a management plan and so forth. Fish and Game looked into the labs to have them confirm the information in the reports which the labs did not. My wife and I saw a mountain lion. 10 things to do in NH this weekend: Dartmouth Dance, Hamilton De Holanda & more, Turkish restaurant in the Upper Valley aims to help those affected by recent earthquakes, RFK Jr. tells NH crowd hes considering a presidential run, Epping woman pleads guilty to threatening Michigan election official in 2020. When they were landing or taking off and it seems like it's been there for like. In fact, Pat Tate concedes that hes been told of sightings from folks that he considers to be very credible, very woods savvypeople who know what a bobcat looks likebut those folks have never snapped a good photo or found a good track. There's never, ever, ever, ever been a documented case of a black mountain lion. So you know until I found those two scats I didn't think that mountain lions were here in the east. John you're on the air. Which goes back to the Connecticut Connecticut cat and what not. But no proof was offered. John is calling from Bennington. So here we have you know a very qualified biologist who who found a print took a plaster cast found a scat send it to a university. Have a photo. They get a lot of media attention but compared to the the amount of times that a mountain lion could attack a person but doesn't because they don't typically view us as prey. We'll push great photos to the front page. So Pat you field a lot of calls about people seeing or reportedly seeing mountain lions. There's a lot of photographs that you can see that it's very clearly a tabby cat that someone has thought was a mountain lion. Rick van de Poll: Well education is the real important thrust of of what all of us do as biologists and Game Managers and to make sure that a things like what Sam was saying that in spite of what you believe the mountain lions will not eat your children they will not steal your pets from your backyard and they will not necessarily be seen by you unless you're extremely lucky. Does not test random Scouts. So so it is possible in Maine to still to to to have one but you have to be sort of professional handler as it were. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. Your support makes this news available to everyone. If so that's for us as an agency. Caller: I got home to my wife that a gene that you should have seen the cat. We'll hear from her periodically through the show. Gotcha, so the Deep State is suppressing mountain lion news in order to prop up New Hampshire tourism? We'd be inundated with scouts in the past when newspaper articles have been written about DNA and scouts. They kill big animals. Peter Biello: Today on the program Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist and far better project leader Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in which is about the natural world and how we use it. Mountain lions leave a lot of sign. Peter Biello: So if they were female mountain lions here they would be more males just because that's what they're looking for. Patrick Tate: So I just got to throw a little interesting side note in this. Mountain Lions in NH. Somewhere the way they travel the things they do they're going to leave evidence. So you want identifiable backgrounds. We actually have the largest subspecies of bobcat in the northern part of our state which they can get up to 40 and over 40 pounds which looks like an 80 pound the animal to visually and quite large. Erler is a senior naturalist at the Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness. Mountain lion or cat running across. Caller: I do. So here in New Hampshire when a person turns in something that the Department believes is possible mountain lion and believes it should be investigated further. And there are thousands of mountain lions killed every year legally through hunting, and there have been untold tens of thousands of mountain lions killed by hunters over the last hundred years, says Mark Elbroch, the Puma Program Director for Panthera, a global wild cat conservation organization, So even the folks who live with mountain lions still have a fancy and see something thats not there to me thats incredible.. All of that remains unanswered but it is an extremely interesting question. Caller: Yeah I hadn't experienced blastoff fall so this was around September and I was driving from Webster into Concord on Horse Hill Road and anybody in the area would know I was right near the Red Barn and all of a sudden this animal jumps out of the woods and it bounded across the road in about two two giant leaps and stopped in the field just on the other side. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. So. You need a permit to have that. Sam Evans-Brown: I just want to say the bang and word you just heard I think to me exemplifies why it's really hard to come up with with positive you know 100 percent certain evidence that you've that what you've got is a mountain lions. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. And so maybe before I go to you recommend I ask you Patrick Tate is the standard too high. If you missed part of today's program listen to the exchange.
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