I am a pastor of a Baptist church, but rather than call myself INDEPENDENT, I call myself unaffiliated with the other Baptist Churches. No, Baptist churches are not sinless because they are filled with forgiven sinners. If you think that other than suits and ties for men is too casual for Sundays While I dont believe that you must dress up for church with suits and ties, however, I do believe we should honor God in His house by dressing up. What sorrow awaits you! We didnt go, but they came back the next week. to show me the folly of my performance-based religion. Most people find it hard to swallow that anyone really thinks that way at all. I grew up in a IFB school and then university, so I can totally relate. I have no opinion on this The IFB is the organization hurting His cause. I believe being separate is doing what God has commanded you to do. I didnt really say you can get drunk on grape juice but if I did, I might be a little confused. However, it wasnt Baptists that ordained him and of the IFB folks I know, they are lukewarm to the Scofield bible. And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? 19:13-15. 50. I dont think having two revivals a year is a bad thing as they word states we should continue to get together as believers. We believe in the bodily resurrection of all men, the saved to eternal life, and the unsaved to judgment and everlasting punishment (Matthew 25:46; John 5:28, 29, 11:25-26; Revelation 20:5-6, 12-13). If you believe that going to (or sending your child to) a college thats not approved by the IFB (e.g., Bob Jones University, Pensacola Bible College, Baptist Bible College, Hyles Anderson College, Tennessee Temple University) will cause you (or your child) to become worldly or will provide an undue worldly influence on you (or your child), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 29. Only the KJV will be used in this group; However, the churches are united by a number of doctrines. We believe his power is supernatural, yet limited; and that he cannot act without the permission of God (Job 1:6-12; I John 4:4). 32 Go ahead and finish what your ancestors started. 52. We recognize the ordinances of baptism by immersion in water and the Lord's Supper as a Scriptural means of testimony for local churches in this age (Matthew. This group is for fellowship, sharing of resources, devotional thoughts, posting of sermons, news of interest, ministry ideas, missionary/church links, KJV verse photos, and general edification. Years ago, I heard a very funny but truthful skit on what was or wasnt OK. Each verse ended with, Its OK, because Independent Fundamental Baptist Preachers do it.. This is the first and great commandment. He granted his permission to work in the Infant Ministry and Toddler, and 3-4 year old Ministry. Gospel Light Baptist Church, Albany, Georgia. On the Arminianist view the church I go to now teaches from a biblical standpoint that salvation can still be lost. Independent Fundamental Baptist or Bible-Believing Baptist) are a particularly cranky fundamentalist branch of unaffiliated Well Pastor Wilkerson is no longer here, and welllll.as far as Im concerned will never be the same. If you think that anything other than what your church teaches about salvation is easy believism, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. An individual independent church might come up with their own definition of faith, they might subscribe to a preexisting one, or they might not use any. However, some (I agree Ogrodnik) are unfair and judgmental. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 30. If the people in your church are truly humble, forgive easily, and believe that everyone is worthy of grace, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. They bought your loyalty. This church is affiliated with the Minnesota Baptist Conference and the Baptist General Conference, and may likewise cooperate with interdenominational fellowships on a voluntary independent basis. No member shall The key is that youre not suppose to JUST sit under the teaching/preaching of anyone without reading the Bible, seeking wisdom from God, and fellow shipping with people who are interested in drawing closer to God. The explosion caused property damage but no injuries or deaths. We believe that the souls of the redeemed are, at death, absent from the body and present with the Lord, where in conscious bliss they await the first resurrection, when spirit, soul, and body are reunited to be glorified forever with the Lord (Luke 23:43; Revelation 20:4-6; II Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:23, 3:21; I Thessalonians 4:16-17). 5 Everything they do is for show. I thought youd like that. 8 Dont let anyone call you Rabbi, for you have only one teacher, and all of you are equal as brothers and sisters. Smoking, drinking, partying, dancing, listening to secular music or Contemporary music arent sinful though partying can only be sinful if you are drunk. You can read more about it here: https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/, I never said the IFB is a cult because some IFB churches may not be the best. Most pastors are lacking and are full of themselves because of one basic issue. The ones that do apply, I dont see a problem with (ie, we do have a track rack and we do have a van that picks up from surrounding neighborhoods and I do enjoy attending church 3 times a week and would enjoy more if possible.) Baptists believe the Bible and strive to live according to its teaching. 26. Your happy mega churches do too. The last pastor I had, at Mountain, would yell sometimes on his sermons to make sense of humor since most of his sermons were pretty funny but never pounded the pulpit. If you think anything other than a suit and tie for men is too casual for Sundays, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 11. 1 John 1:9 No, thats silly! We had no money.. We believe that the strict, literal interpretation of the Bible makes us Baptists. And, I am genuinely sorry if any unbiblical or otherwise wrong IFB group, person or church, has hurt anyone here. (Colossians 1:18; Matthew 18:15-20; Acts 15:22-21; 2 Corinthians 8:1-5, 19, 23), All born-again believers have the privilege of direct access to God. I know the answers now. Please dont mistake this for a lack of respect or an attempt to minimize the seriousness of the abuse that happens among the Independent Fundamental Bapitsts. If that is the case, you might as well go out and live like hell, because you are not interested in what God says anyway. If you think that mental health issues (depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, etc.) Please trust me when I tell you that your IFB church (as most other IFB churches) is preying on you. Thats The Holy Spirit speaking to me. I disclosed to (2) pastors at this church personal and heart felt feelings that I thought and grew up and was told you can talk to your pastor, because he is a man of God. We even have TWO. 31 But in saying that, you testify against yourselves that you are indeed the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. Every person is individually responsible to God and will be judged according to the beliefs and practices he or she freely chooses. 33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. The New IFB considers the modern nation of Israel to be a fraud and it also teaches that Christians rather than Jews are God's chosen people. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. We wanted Gods blessing of Mariage. (Acts 2:42), It is a betrayal of the unity of believers based upon sound doctrine of the historic Christian Faith. Many churches are about the money, as is some of their pastors. Pastor Wilkerson was the one and ONLY pastor who allowed me to work passionately in what ever church ministry I chosen. There are those who are called to rebuke abusive religious practices. around the world wherever our Lord directs. 51. You might be an IFB if Your child has went to church there 3x a week, his whole life, but when he leaves the church, your to have nothing to do with them. WebSecond, it is Fundamental. We believe in one Triune God, eternally existing in three personsFather, Son, and Holy Spirit, co-eternal in being, co-identical in nature, co-equal in power and glory, and having the same attributes and perfections (Deuteronomy 6:4; II Corinthians 13:14). Wow! The word fundamental simply means that we adhere to the fundamentals (basics) of the true Christian faith. Its pure manipulation. Pastor dont preach on smoking unless he preaches on a list of things that destroy the body. WebOur Mission. If you feel guilty for not having devotions 7 days a week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 42. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? If we must consider these points as a point for consideration, these ought to be a source form the Bible. 24. For you say that it means nothing to swear by Gods Temple, but that it is binding to swear by the gold in the Temple. 17 Blind fools! Should I choose not to forgive after Christ has already died for him? Smoking in itself is not sin but I do agree that smoking can cause teeth decay, lung cancer, breast cancer, etc. [4][5], A split in the New IFB occurred in January 2019, after Donnie Romero, pastor at Stedfast Baptist Church-Fort Worth (SBC), resigned after it was revealed he had hired prostitutes, smoked marijuana and gambled. 27. How come many Americans havent heard of the Independent Fundamental Baptist church movement? Romans 5:8 insidious I like that word. 5. The end of November we were going to break up because of physical abuse so instead sought counseling for our pastor and his wife. THESE SERMON OUTLINES By Michael D. ONeal, Founder and Pastor Since 1986 Of. Thanks for being thankful for the grace God has giving us. I hope that you left your church in good terms and that they knew how you felt and whoever was wrong to be revived and allow the precense of God to bring the individual to the norm in other words what christian ought to be not what men want to be. 46. I must forgive others the same way God forgave me. If you believe everything said in this article then you must not have spent much or any time in a fundamental church. We believe in salvation by grace (Mat 22:37-40) Can you honestly say that this is of God. What surprises me, though, is that he was ordained as a pastor and actually called to pastor DL Moodys church in Massachusetts as a divorced man. We had been boyfriend and girlfriend for 5 years and a baby that was 10 months old. BTW, tithing isnt a Biblical teaching for NT Christians. Others are very much unfair criticism. We believe that salvation is by grace plus nothing minus nothing. Now, I am a 25 year old women with 3 children a 4, 2, and 7 month old and my Husband is 26. Anybody who opposes the IFB teaching is bitter Cant say that because anybody who opposes BIBLICAL teaching is spiritually blind because they dont know the truth. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. [4], Despite the website's claims that each church is independent, some followers and former followers of the New IFB have accused Anderson of having complete control over the organization and ejecting anyone who has a minor disagreement with him. How will you escape the judgment of hell? I only hope that you will see it before too long. We reject all cooperation with this movement. Its the inspired word of God. Good point Steve! I loved him, but I hated the way he treated me. 15. If you believe that using guitars in church is too liberal, yet you listen to patch the pirate who uses guitars, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 14. Mind your own business. Jesus saved by dying on the cross in my husbands place. Many of these are down right untruthful . I was taught that I needed to let God change him. I had my part. Yes but this is my concern about the IFB beliefs and I understand this was written to make it funny. He says he isnt saved but is open minded and is at least asking questions. We ONLY pray to God because saints dont serve as mediators to God the Father. I cant stand when preachers pound the pulpits because its distracting and irritating for me though I am not against preachers yelling as long as they dont yell too loud. Wherever there are people, there is sin. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 9. That makes no sense. 8. Again its too legalistic. This is assuming that the parable of the prodigal son is some kind of instruction on how to deal with a troubled child What is the Southern Baptist Convention and what do Southern Baptists believe? Point is that we are to edify with love and meekness all brothers and sisters in Christ, not criticize in front of a lost world. I will never forget that day that I sat in my pastors car and he prayed with me, he didnt know what was happening in my life, but he knew I needed someone to pray with and I could see it in his eyes. 21 And when you swear by the Temple, you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it. We teach that baptism is necessary for salvation as I get this quote from the King James Version from John 3:5; Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Even the General Baptists and the Free Will Baptists denounce eternal security, thus the only two Baptist groups that believe in Free Will. I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. Why do people think that I dont have time to pray for loved ones simply because I have this site up? 4 How can you think of saying to your friend, Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye, when you cant see past the log in your own eye? People to Be Executed", "Deported NZ pastor Logan Robertson shows no remorse for harassing 'sissy' Muslims", "Police investigating Auckland pastor who threatened homosexuals", "Advocates urge supporters to ask landlord to evict Stedfast Baptist", "North Texas church that called for execution of gay people won't be evicted", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_Independent_Fundamentalist_Baptist&oldid=1142179437, Baptist denominations established in the 21st century, Anti-Islam sentiment in the United States, Organizations that oppose LGBT rights in the United States, Christian organizations established in 2017, Short description is different from Wikidata, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 28 February 2023, at 23:30. 6. No, because thats not Gods will. [1], New IFB churches have caused controversy on several occasions, because of their opposition to homosexuality. I understand that its hard to convey emotions when typing, but the above list does not have the feel that it was done with a spirit of love but one of condemnation. Independent Fundamental Baptists are one of the most legalistic Christian groups/. The New IFB's website lists its core doctrines as salvation by faith alone, once saved always saved, King James Bible-only, the Trinity, soul-winning, "hard" preaching, prewrath post-tribulation rapture, and opposition of worldliness, Calvinism, dispensationalism, liberalism, and Zionism. 28:19-20; Acts 2:41-42, 18:18; I Corinthians 11:23-26). Maybe you had a bad experience or many years of bad experiences at an IFB church, but that will never excuse you from bad mouthing any of Gods people or the many IFB churches the Lord uses to spread His word or send missionaries to the remotest parts of the world to seek those who are lost. *gasp* Just kidding, just kiddingwe at least look for Baptist on the sign so were good . Im not responsible for how its perceived. [5], New IFB pastors have been the subjects of controversy on numerous occasions. I do into great detail about why I believe the IFB is cultish in practice. If you first came to church because Brother Dave or Brother Mike knocked on your door and invited you, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. What your pastor told you is extremely dangerous and silly. Hypocrites! If you run into a church member at the grocery store and see that they have a bottle of wine or maybe a 6-pack of beer in their cart and you struggle over whether you should share this information with your pastor, you might be and independent fundamental Baptist! But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. I will cut to the chase: my Pastor and his wife took a much needed vacation a few years ago. The churches that teach certain things unrelated to scripture, are a result of what the Bible calls IN THE LAST DAYS. In the last days, people will leave their first love, just as you have left YOUR first love, probably because of a pastor, an arrogant church member, or maybe because of your very own relationship with God, a relationship that is lacking. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. They are usually so full of themselves, because they went straight from salvation to knowledge, and Peter says to add to your faith virtue, and THEN go to knowledge, 2 Peter 1:5. We dont think rational thought is dangerous. If your pastor is telling you otherwise hes a heretic. The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. I dont post this to to attack you, nor defend Dave, rather to simply point out that perhaps both are not setting the best of examples? This is very good. Would you go back and pet a dog after it bit you? Ive never been instructed their acting Rebellious or looked down on or had any concern for myself but they were rebellious. The tradition of men, human opinion, false science, religious creeds, nor popular opinion override the plain teaching of God's Word. Jesus said I came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.. Judah has always been with God. Just please be sure that your judging is fair. I can count on one hand the number of IFBs whove asked for a discussion instead of attacking me. You are still required to tithe in the IFB regardless of your source of income. If your youth pastor eats a goldfish or gives away a baseball cap for every visitor a child brings, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter and unhappy so I honestly feel badly for you. Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8 These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. If your pastor refuses to be called Reverend, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist.
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