Finally make sure you note how things were improved in your and other groups by your new strategy in commitments review. The technical and management ladder in Microsoft is highly competitive and is highly regarded in the Industry. I'm currently level 66 and started at level 59 (equivalent in old levels) 12 years ago. I'm a Level 64 in Office and I agree that the Level Compression puts a crimp in promotion velocity in Office. This is a good list. Last August (different group), I received a dreaded "Limited II", in spite of my manager telling me that he didn't actually think I was in the "bottom 10" at Microsoft, but that the devil made him do it (so to speak) and that it was a "no-brainer" for him. Its, actually, quite a short list. I was always righteously indignant when I encountered asshats and incompetence and I would rail against the losers to anyone who would listen, and then I would do whatever it took to drive my agenda through to completion.I focused 100% on producing vast quantities of superior quality work -- which endeared me to my management chain and opened up a crap-ton of doors at those early levels. It's because you were playing catch-up to Apple, and playing Machiavellian games with the media companies instead of working on the issues that your customers were complaining about.Vista is still unreliable, unsecurable, and a massive pain in the ass to use on a daily basis. Your response is private Was this worth your time? Secondly, finding a suitable mentor to help them overcome that weakness. I am a troll. Got two promotions - still level 60If you really got promoted twice then you would have advanced 2 levels.Either you didn't actually get promoted, or someone told you lies. Up to that point the "what" you accomplish can get you pretty far and you get some wiggly room on the how. That is, its hard to define, but I know it when I see it. I heard that promotion budgets are significantly reduced at below 65 level. 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I breezed to L63 and shortly after to L64 within a year. There's this sort of nebulous "first you have to perform at level current+1 for a year, then you'll get promoted. I've been hearing some stealth layoffs around the SQL and BOSG groups, around 70+ people were given 6(?) New Senior Director Human Resources jobs added daily. So he is looking to become partner this year on the team's work. Its UI is fundamentally incoherent, showing probably the worst case of design-by-committee since the control room at Three Mile Island. Once they successfully cross the chasm theyll start over on the typical S-shaped learning curve at the new level again. When I gave notice, my PUM was in my office within an hour showing me stock levels at 65 and 66, willing to restructure my position pretty much to my liking. I've changed jobs but came back to the group that's been the most supportive. Third, working on that weakness DAILY (but not exclusively) until they overcome it. I have some colleagues now stuck with a career that they dont really want because they move up too much. At a basic level, in a company the size of Microsoft, the higher you go, the less you contribute individually and the more you contribute by your impact on an organization - hiring the right people, setting clear and correct goals, driving alignment and execution. Only one can emerge, and not everyone can be a senior simultaneously. I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did in some ways. Let's compare answers answer is: your boss. Learn How to State Your Case and Earn Your Raise, Climb the Ladder With These Proven Promotion Tips, A Guide to Negotiating the Salary You Deserve, How to Prepare for Your Interview and Land the Job. There were times when I was promoted more slowly than I probably could have been, but I am very happy with where I am now, and I am still growing. But it is also clear that there are places at Microsoft where these skills are not required until higher.I have a 62 test somehow make it to dev with mediocre dev skills, social skills limited to indifference or hostility, who managed to delegate most of the hard work to a smart kid hired to work with him and he made it to 63. right?). I spend a lot of my time these days working with partner teams to help them solve their own problems or create wins for their teams even if it only peripherally touches my area. Jobs are leveled, not people - make sure the job you have includes the scope needed for the level you want. Will a L63 have direct reports and/or manage v-? By then I had already already set up several clients as in independent consultant, so I declined to stay. Like another poster, I was a 64 who hit the "65 wall" after 10 years at MS. That means, know what people think about you and what they don't. Might as well fire those guys. They don't get defensive if their ideas are revealed to have flaws but rather delight in being able to move to a better solution. Leverage your professional network, and get hired. Because, except on the rare occasion, Microsoft and your team isn't going to change. If youre not doing a great job at your current level youre not even going to be considered for the next level. The CSPs are a good attempt to define each level, but anyone who is looking at the CSPs and saying I do that, and that, , but Im not getting promoted is almost certainly missing the point.---I used to work in Devdiv, and I respect Kelly a lot. Will they reach L63? Just ensure that you do the absolute best in whatever is thrown at you and promotion will take care of itself. Maybe everybody's aware of being "in lockdown" and keeping their heads down? given that the resource is static. But that doesn't really help you compete when you don't know what everyone else is doing, particularily if you think you're doing well.Further, it's hard to get specific advice on how to get promoted, due to said black wall. This means there are 24 distinct job levels at Microsoft. Revise if needed. I've been hearing some stealth layoffs around the SQL and BOSG groups, around 70+ people were given 6(?) This is usually how teams start to rot from the inside. If you're going into that comfort zone of complaining about politics and butt-kissing and favorites, do me this favor: hold your right palm up, nice and flat like you're about to be sworn in to testify in a trial, and now extend your right arm out nice and wide, and then quickly swing your right arm around the front of you in a nice arc that ends with the flat of your right hand quickly connecting to the left side of your face for a hard, resounding slap. Finally, take heart and dont become too discouraged if this is taking a little longer than it seems like it should. Framed on my former VP's wall:"High-level guys are low-level guys that don't whine.". Only one can emerge, and not everyone can be a senior simultaneously. Microsoft is a Technology Giant and has been the biggest Technology Company in recent years. Averages based on self-reported salaries. What advice do you have to pass on? Saturday, November 15, 2008. Make sure you have chosen commitments that you can exceed, and that you deliver visible and significant value to your business and customers. You can wait 24 months to gain all the credibilty & visibilty & trust again that needs to intersect precisely with your new leaderships ability to argue you on the stack proficiently. The Senior Director provides leadership, establishes operational objectives, policies, procedures and works plans and oversee the program to ensure maximum profitability through efficient service delivery, effective client management, and strategic allocation of resources. take the time to find a mentor that is a great fit for you and the issue you're working on. Then they start pinging the manager on why and putting pressure on them to do something, move them up or out. About Top-performing Senior Director in Digital Strategy & Commercial Development, with 25 years success in top-tier business across new Tech, data and digital in many sectors driving strategy,. Very few jobs are leveled across more than 2 levels but most jobs could be more than on level (depending on the candidate something could be a 61 or 62).To take on more you need to be doing two things:1. Also known as executive-level, senior-level seniority requires a high level of experience, knowledge and responsibility within a company. They are trying to get attention from upper levels more harder then you. Levels.fyi gives different levels for Microsoft v amazon depending on pm or dev. Microsoft's '08 Mistakes: The Software Giant's Three Errors http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/121908-microsofts-08-mistakes-the-software.html?hpg1=bnJust three? * Stability at Microsoft is a two-edged sword. Of course I ensure my manager and skip-level are aware of my contribution as a mentor, but I figure that as long as I'm in front of the wave, the best way for me to advance is to move the wave forward. senior director can be L66 or L67. It is my observation that the most common place we see disillusioned learners in the product groups at MS is at level 62. Hi,Now that the Annual review is approaching, I wanted to seek tips on justification putforth to the manager to move from L60-L61. How do you ensure there is no conflict of interest. And as my experience shows, many teams do not even staff a senior. Got lucky on that one!!!! Level 61 - overseas. Bottom line is this: It's very easy to find imperfections. If you are in office, you will have lots of experience promoting people up to 62 but after that it's a rare event. Thanks. Its usually comes down to do it and be unhappy or leave. I am a [sic] HR manager. L63 takes a bit longer but is also fast. The L64 guys should be able to influence their skip level orgs plus one or two groups outside of the skip org. Because when it comes time to roll people out of the team (as teams do from time to time) this "No, never" a marker that is used to help figure out who - at I and II CSP levels - is either on-track or out. for L63? Thanks M$Underpay. If you are considering leaving your team (or Microsoft) but think you could be persuaded to stay, be careful about how you present this to your manager. I came from .NET (no longer there), and there were plenty of Senior IC PMs and Devs.Are you in Test, Marketing or Documentation? My biggest struggle has been getting good feedback on where I need to grow. Let's Hear it for the Girl! Being constantly re-orged is bad. If you have potential and luck then you can achieve promotion velocity of one level every 18 months.Finally, heres my advice for who aspire for L62->L63 jump: Look around. I have seen people turn it around. I'm interested in hearing your stories of success, mentorship, and turning a career that was off-path back on-track. Within the comments, I hope to elicit advice that follows up on what I start here, and maybe even contradicts it. Specifically, that is a tendency to try and do everything themselves, taking too much individual accountability as opposed to building a v-team across orgs etc etc.Most managers in Microsoft - in my personal experieince - are competent managers. The estimated additional pay is $257,304 per year. If so, then you're going to have a hard time finding senior IC spots anywhere. Less than a year is fast, but not unheard of. Mini: Great topic! These two lines really serve to summarize the incoherent blithering that was jcr's post.Whoa, really? Let's Hear it for the Boy! There are so many reasons why things didn't happen in a given review cycle. but I have to disagree with this statement.While it is true that it is difficult for managers to say what *exactly* an employee should do to get to the next level, it *should not* be impossible to list what experiences/qualities/results will qualify him to be a *strong* candidate for promotion to the next level.And this should not be that difficult - it is just a matter of syncing up with the peer leads, and dev manager, and discussing what their perception of an L63 is vs l62. L63 guys are supposed to influence their entire skip level org. 4. You will not know the difference.Steve Steve Steve given the state of the company, are you sure you don't have anything else more urgent to do? Strategy and Product Leader for an omni-channel team encompassing blended physical-digital experiences that combine personalized services with customer relationship strengthening across 400- centers. That is a great post Mini. IBM got their position by focusing on the customer. An Australian graduate with over 23 years of experience in the IT industry covering various business natures and sizes across startups and large corporations taking on roles from full-stack development in both open source and Microsoft technology stack to architecture design and strategic roles such as Technical Director/CTO. First, they are moving *to* something that they think fits them better -- and bringing an enthusiasm for the new position to go with the better fit. Needless to say that not many will admit this fact. Be very careful, because some people may tell you about this or that great thing they did, and only mention that they are (or were) married to this General Manager, or that they have been in the team since it was only 2 people, and the other person today is a VP. All the money making groups cut 10% of the work force. If you want to succeed at Microsoft (or anywhere else where you have a boss), the most important thing you can do is figure out exactly what your management wants from you and then make sure you deliver it in spades.Junior people often make the mistake of thinking this means "I will do my job to the best of my ability" and then they go off and work really REALLY hard at things their management doesn't find nearly as important as they do and so come review time these folks are *shocked* to hear that all of their blood, sweat and tears did not make the impression they'd hoped. "Next, I believe this post will most likely be useful for those who entered MS as intern/college hires. This makes it very easy to feel underleveled, because the 6 people that started 3 weeks before you might take up the 2 promotion spots available per year for 3 years (numbers all made up).You also, at least in my experience, aren't really given feedback on when you're performing at a level that *could* be promoted. Establish SD/VSTF branching steering committee and send out monthly report. Some are exceptional at one, and passable at others. Promotion to 63 happened to me 2 years ago when I helped ship Office 2007. I guess they are fallible humans too. Nothing you do is good, all you get is criticism. Titles are important, and dont let anyone make you believe otherwise. Eventually, their team will remove itself from his control through internal transfers to teams with better managers, and the asshole ends up getting canned in a re-org if he doesn't see the writing on the wall and use his Apple resume entry to jump to some other company.The fact that you praise someone for "junk yard dog mode" shows me that Microsoft has a fundamentally broken corporate culture, and that you are part of the problem.-jcr, Think of the guy in the other companyI don't like where this is goingThat is the guy to beat.No, No, NO!Think of the customer, not the competition! Seriously - if you wave a competitor's offer in my face what have you told me? Facebook, Go to company page This is something that should happen on an ongoing basis.Unfortunately, it doesnt happen, and that is what frustrates a lot of people.Saying that you dont know what exactly an L63 is, but will know one when you see him is a big cop-out. But the opportunities I see doing X seem to be compelling from a financial and growth standpoint. Yes, "soft skills" count.I'm pleased that someone said it.There are a collection of skills that are difficult to quantify that are absolute necessities to succeeding at higher levels. Oh, please. There is a comment about reporting to someone who is the same level as you are. In the case of the latter, make sure you have the goods, because your manager now must show his/her hand on whether s/he values you. I've been at Microsoft six years.I've never spent one second honestly thinking about my career or how to get a promotion or anything like that. Real HR managers from Microsoft would have just three [sic]s in a post of that length. I think your comments on level 63 were interesting. Have you honed in on what aspects of this brand are most important in the calibration discussions and know how you'll show you're a rockstar in these areas? I think talking about level just confuses people as beyond US there is a different level system!L63 in the US is Senior (Level 60 in most of the other countries), well, moving to Senior is not such a big thing if you have experience, with more than 10 years in the industry I was hired at this level, now Senior II is just a matter of continuing contributing but the different comes to Principal (or lead), here is where you need to shine in order to succeed.Recommendation: Work not only towards your commitments but your managers as well As a former L65 (left MSFT about two months ago) I can say you are right on when it comes to understanding where your boss stands.
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